Great post Petra! Well no one "works" at the CFR, you may be an "asset" for the CFR or a member. But to me, how can he not be writhing on the ground or running away, sure monks have nerves of steel but their involuntary nervous system isn't made of steel. The monks behind the car don't seem the same in the close up and the petrol jar just happens to fall so you can see what the flames did, and he douses himself and then quietly puts the jar standing upright like an underarm deodorant commercial? I don't have a bunker on mars to sell anymore, I have an entire complex of bunkers to sell now.
Something to consider about not writhing. Monks and others with mastery if their minds can turn any "involuntary" body mechanism into a consciously controlled act. Just like how breathing is automatic, but we can take control and change our breathing through focused concentration.
Not discounting that both events may have been staged, just want to add perspective that was missing.
The thing is we have no proof of this ability in the case of immolation so while they might have incredible mastery we can't be sure it applies to immolation ... unless you have some? But as you say, that ability does not undermine the case for the event being staged and I wrote the substack without consideration of writhing being an expectation or not.
asside from metaphorical self immolation, no I don't yet, but that would be a really good ability. One I too have yet to see evidence of, as all videos can be doctored.
Again, really enhoyed your article and thanks for responding.
I found this post thanks to Proton Magic and just subscribed! The thought of self-immolations being faked, never crossed my mind until now! Illusions and distractions, what the world consists off I tell you: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-tell-whats-real-in-the-land
Well the image was used by the band Rage Against the Machine You know how fake Tom Morello turned out to be embracing the woke narrative and totalitarianism of the Covid psyop. Where was the rage? Tom raged against fans who wanted freedom from the poison jabs.
Doesn't surprise me. I think they might overstate how much rock bands are intelligence creations but they can certainly behave very disappointingly. I'm only aware of Rage Against the Machine but the behaviour of Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys is sickening - have to say though with a name like that they probably are a cia creation.
You’d think with all the conspiracies that Jello used to snarl about that he would have seen through the common cold gene therapy injections. And Tom Morello has his own extremely woke kids book for learning the alphabet. Every spoiled suburban rich kid that embraces the narrative of the week comes across as brainwashed by the woke media. When it was the cool thing, D.O.A. made a career out of bashing Reagan and don’t get me started on Henry Rollins. But at least he admits to being a Liar liar ha ha ha , now I’m hearing that song in my head.
regarding the two photos of the burning monk it’s difficult to tell if there’s movement or a different camera angle.
One thing that says fake to me is the obvious different distances between the burning monk and the gas can/strange object. In the second photo the object is much closer to the monk.
Also it makes no sense to me that the gas can would implode, surely if the heat was to cause vapor in the can to ignite it would explode not implode. If otoh it’s meant to have buckled from the heat there’s features missing that wouldn’t buckle.
Yes you're right it is closer and I'll include that in my post, however, its closeness does not mean that people won't say that the wind might have blown it closer :)
Right - it would explode not implode. I'm not sure what you mean by "features missing that wouldn't buckle".
Honestly, even without your more scientific appraisal I just don't think they look like the same object - but someone argued over on Celia's blog that they could be. It just astounds me.
Any deficiencies in the video were easily fixed with Photoshop.
The biggest giveaway is that a phone that was supposedly taking the video from the ground looks like it was a couple of feet above it, judging by the angle of the shot.
I think the simple way to tell that all these self-immolations, especially the recent one, are fake is what you touched upon about the subject/victim would be writhing around - in other words, simple medical science tells us the truth.
Reaction to fire/heat is an innate, autonomic self-defence response. Try putting your hand near a flame or very hot object and this is obvious. It cannot be controlled consciously except perhaps by one of two ways:
1/ years and years and years of meditative guru monk shit - but even then you would have to spend many of those years specifically focusing on overcoming and consciously controlling your autonomic system - in which case the obvious question is why? for what possible purpose?! I very much doubt that Monk thought, when he was, I dunno, twelve, that 'I'm going to spend the next thirty years overcoming my innate protective response mechanism so I can carry out a pointless, politically ineffective self-immolation process when the nasty yanks arrive'
or 2/ Very serious MK-Ultra-style programming. Even then however, it's one thing to, say, hypnotise a person so they don't 'feel' the pain, but preventing the autonomic response is another thing entirely. You would have to create some kind of autonomic dissociation, or use some kind of pharmaceutical or electromagnetic thing to disrupt the innate response. That's definitely an interesting MK sub-project and I'd be very surprised indeed if they hadn't done experiments on it - especially with regards to creating super-soldiers and all that.
I don't believe there's any evidence of Bushnell being 1/, and obviously I don't know about 2/. but we shouldn't discount the possibility that Bushnell was either wittingly or unwittingly involved in an MK sub-project.
Having said all that, why would one go to all that trouble? Occam's razor again suggests they take the most efficient and easiest way to produce the desired effect, and that's just deepfake it. Or they get Bushnell to believe he's set himself on fire, add the flames using CGI, take him away after 40 seconds or so and disappear him. So it's a combination of CGI fakery and MK shit. That's an elegant method, for sure. All they need to do is ensure there are no witnesses in the vicinity who aren't in on it.
I think doing real life tests for their ongoing MK programs is, however, a very important part of their project, and if I were the kind of personality involved in that project then I'd definitely want to try it out.
The thing with Bushnell is that everything around the actual immolation is anomalous - the filming, the asking "Can I help you?", the request for more fire extinguishers - why wouldn't one be sufficient as it was only him on fire? ... and more ... but sure mind control can achieve amazing feats. The hypnotist, Derren Brown, gets people to sit in an ice bath for a significant time convincing them they are warm. Absolutely fascinating experiment. The thing is though even though they feel OK their vital signs behave according to the temperature so even if Bushnell could be trained to be OK with the flames perhaps even with amazing mind control his body would still suffer impact so for the moment I'm going with deep fake.
Yeah - exactly - that's what I meant by hypnotising the person to not feel the pain, but the body still responds to the stimuli - thus, yes, it's a deepfake. The only possible counterargument would have to involve the use of seriously advanced technology to suppress the body's innate defensive reaction - and that's really sinister.
Im not saying that I disagree with the critique of this self immolation. And I'll absolutely agree that anything can, and often is, faked these days. But to specifically answer the question as to the setting alight issue: when he pours the excellerant over his head, vertually no e of it hits his legs, where he attempts to set the fire. Much of it does fall on the floor by his feet however, which would explain the decision to invite it there. As for everything else you point out, I have only questions.
Yes, I see what you're saying. I think they simply used Deep Fake technology to fake this although I must say for a psyop they did a very convincing job where they normally really give you the clues. The behaviour of all the other people clearly shows anomalies and I simply cannot doubt that the event was staged but it does give me pause that the immolation itself looks real to me although I wouldn't expect him to stand aflame like that for 40 seconds.
Mark Tokarski, of Piece of Mindful, posted my substack there and in response someone posted footage of another self-immolation by a monk supposedly spurred by Thích Quảng Đức's. Although the commenter says that this footage is clear evidence of fakery in that the body keels of a piece like a dummy, in fact, we see the arm of the monk move as if to brace his body before hitting the ground (53s). I must say I'm simply confused. They didn't have Deep Fake technology back in 1963 I don't think! https://pieceofmindful.com/2024/03/01/1963-self-immolation-in-vietnam-staged/#comment-338357
I'm not sure if they had deep fake technology back in the 60s, but who really knows for certain besides insiders. These people often have technology that's decades ahead of what's publicly available, so it's not out of the question. Then again, if they faked the Zapruder film from the same year with crude editing, why not this?
And if they did use deep fake technology in this case, it's far more likely that they did so well after the fact, perhaps decades after the incident was first captured on camera when the technology was getting better. What do you think?
I somehow don't think they revise photos with improved technology, that just somehow doesn't strike me as the way they do things ... but they might. I think they rely very much on fooling people at the time and sticking with it. They simply have the power to maintain the fiction century after century even while telling us the truth underneath it still. You can see the way they tell stories from the past that they're still inserting Revelation of the Method. I noticed it with nonsense they tell us in the Great Fire of London 1666 story and just yesterday the alleged assassination of German diplomat, Ernst vom Rath, by a Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan, the "event" that precipitated Kristalnacht. They give us gobbledygook by telling us:
"Soon thereafter, vom Rath’s planned show trial was dropped, presumably to prevent embarrassment that might result from those revelations. However, it’s unclear if Grynszpan’s story was true."
Why would a trial be planned for vom Rath if he's dead and if it's a mistake and they really mean Grynszpan why would the trial be a "show trial" if he really did assassinate vom Rath?
There's absolutely no need to "improve" past weak fakeries which isn't to say that they don't for whatever reason.
"There's absolutely no need to "improve" past weak fakeries which isn't to say that they don't for whatever reason."
I guess that depends on how committed they are in selling their stories. If it's a fake story that's meant to be televised briefly in the media, there's no need to revise visual or written "evidence" later. However, if it's a fictional story they want to promote for many years to come, revising certain details of said story may be necessary to ensure it stays fresh and somewhat passable to the gullible masses.
A physical phenomenon is only “a thing” if you desire to believe it is. Noumena rule; phenomena drool. (Only YOU know if this is serious or this is snark.)
Fascinating. Thank you Petra, you have given name to a 'thing' that I have been wondering about for some time - Revelation of Method. In recent years I have been struck by strange coincidences in popular culture and the 'let the right one in' rule of parasites. Hmmm....
Ha ha, we have a "jinx" thinkin' alike--so I was lookin' on yer stack to add a new comment to the Chelsea post an' SAWR this one here--an' thought--OMGorsh, I posted 'bout that "Mad Max" back in Spring--I foolishly hid the lede thinkin' folks'd see it but go ta this link:
Self-induced burnings or "immolations" might be a thing, but the mainstream stories of them could very well be fake. They're not impossible, but that doesn't mean they can't be faked to some degree.
Same with murders and rapes. Those things do happen, but oftentimes they are distorted by the MSM with fabricated or exaggerated reports to make them seem much more pervasive and scary than they actually are.
Great post Petra! Well no one "works" at the CFR, you may be an "asset" for the CFR or a member. But to me, how can he not be writhing on the ground or running away, sure monks have nerves of steel but their involuntary nervous system isn't made of steel. The monks behind the car don't seem the same in the close up and the petrol jar just happens to fall so you can see what the flames did, and he douses himself and then quietly puts the jar standing upright like an underarm deodorant commercial? I don't have a bunker on mars to sell anymore, I have an entire complex of bunkers to sell now.
LOL. Yes, he'd have to writhe, good point. As if he'd just sit there in meditation pose throughout.
Something to consider about not writhing. Monks and others with mastery if their minds can turn any "involuntary" body mechanism into a consciously controlled act. Just like how breathing is automatic, but we can take control and change our breathing through focused concentration.
Not discounting that both events may have been staged, just want to add perspective that was missing.
Thanks for the interesting article Petra.
The thing is we have no proof of this ability in the case of immolation so while they might have incredible mastery we can't be sure it applies to immolation ... unless you have some? But as you say, that ability does not undermine the case for the event being staged and I wrote the substack without consideration of writhing being an expectation or not.
Good point.
To your rhetorical question-
asside from metaphorical self immolation, no I don't yet, but that would be a really good ability. One I too have yet to see evidence of, as all videos can be doctored.
Again, really enhoyed your article and thanks for responding.
I found this post thanks to Proton Magic and just subscribed! The thought of self-immolations being faked, never crossed my mind until now! Illusions and distractions, what the world consists off I tell you: https://unorthodoxy.substack.com/p/how-to-tell-whats-real-in-the-land
Well the image was used by the band Rage Against the Machine You know how fake Tom Morello turned out to be embracing the woke narrative and totalitarianism of the Covid psyop. Where was the rage? Tom raged against fans who wanted freedom from the poison jabs.
Doesn't surprise me. I think they might overstate how much rock bands are intelligence creations but they can certainly behave very disappointingly. I'm only aware of Rage Against the Machine but the behaviour of Jello Biafra from the Dead Kennedys is sickening - have to say though with a name like that they probably are a cia creation.
At their core, they’re control freaks. Against “the machine” until their side has control of it.
You’d think with all the conspiracies that Jello used to snarl about that he would have seen through the common cold gene therapy injections. And Tom Morello has his own extremely woke kids book for learning the alphabet. Every spoiled suburban rich kid that embraces the narrative of the week comes across as brainwashed by the woke media. When it was the cool thing, D.O.A. made a career out of bashing Reagan and don’t get me started on Henry Rollins. But at least he admits to being a Liar liar ha ha ha , now I’m hearing that song in my head.
“Fuck you, I will do what you tell me.” - There. Corrected it for you, Mr Rage for the Machine.
regarding the two photos of the burning monk it’s difficult to tell if there’s movement or a different camera angle.
One thing that says fake to me is the obvious different distances between the burning monk and the gas can/strange object. In the second photo the object is much closer to the monk.
Also it makes no sense to me that the gas can would implode, surely if the heat was to cause vapor in the can to ignite it would explode not implode. If otoh it’s meant to have buckled from the heat there’s features missing that wouldn’t buckle.
Thank you for your comments.
Yes you're right it is closer and I'll include that in my post, however, its closeness does not mean that people won't say that the wind might have blown it closer :)
Right - it would explode not implode. I'm not sure what you mean by "features missing that wouldn't buckle".
Honestly, even without your more scientific appraisal I just don't think they look like the same object - but someone argued over on Celia's blog that they could be. It just astounds me.
in my observations the implosion of a can like that would be mostly on the long sides leaving the features around the handle, cap and base intact.
Also in the second photo the the topmost face has somehow become triangular without the face itself caving.
Plus in the first photo afaict it looks like there’s no cap on the can so implosion seems implausable. It’s magic!
Any deficiencies in the video were easily fixed with Photoshop.
The biggest giveaway is that a phone that was supposedly taking the video from the ground looks like it was a couple of feet above it, judging by the angle of the shot.
I think the simple way to tell that all these self-immolations, especially the recent one, are fake is what you touched upon about the subject/victim would be writhing around - in other words, simple medical science tells us the truth.
Reaction to fire/heat is an innate, autonomic self-defence response. Try putting your hand near a flame or very hot object and this is obvious. It cannot be controlled consciously except perhaps by one of two ways:
1/ years and years and years of meditative guru monk shit - but even then you would have to spend many of those years specifically focusing on overcoming and consciously controlling your autonomic system - in which case the obvious question is why? for what possible purpose?! I very much doubt that Monk thought, when he was, I dunno, twelve, that 'I'm going to spend the next thirty years overcoming my innate protective response mechanism so I can carry out a pointless, politically ineffective self-immolation process when the nasty yanks arrive'
or 2/ Very serious MK-Ultra-style programming. Even then however, it's one thing to, say, hypnotise a person so they don't 'feel' the pain, but preventing the autonomic response is another thing entirely. You would have to create some kind of autonomic dissociation, or use some kind of pharmaceutical or electromagnetic thing to disrupt the innate response. That's definitely an interesting MK sub-project and I'd be very surprised indeed if they hadn't done experiments on it - especially with regards to creating super-soldiers and all that.
I don't believe there's any evidence of Bushnell being 1/, and obviously I don't know about 2/. but we shouldn't discount the possibility that Bushnell was either wittingly or unwittingly involved in an MK sub-project.
Having said all that, why would one go to all that trouble? Occam's razor again suggests they take the most efficient and easiest way to produce the desired effect, and that's just deepfake it. Or they get Bushnell to believe he's set himself on fire, add the flames using CGI, take him away after 40 seconds or so and disappear him. So it's a combination of CGI fakery and MK shit. That's an elegant method, for sure. All they need to do is ensure there are no witnesses in the vicinity who aren't in on it.
I think doing real life tests for their ongoing MK programs is, however, a very important part of their project, and if I were the kind of personality involved in that project then I'd definitely want to try it out.
The thing with Bushnell is that everything around the actual immolation is anomalous - the filming, the asking "Can I help you?", the request for more fire extinguishers - why wouldn't one be sufficient as it was only him on fire? ... and more ... but sure mind control can achieve amazing feats. The hypnotist, Derren Brown, gets people to sit in an ice bath for a significant time convincing them they are warm. Absolutely fascinating experiment. The thing is though even though they feel OK their vital signs behave according to the temperature so even if Bushnell could be trained to be OK with the flames perhaps even with amazing mind control his body would still suffer impact so for the moment I'm going with deep fake.
Forgot to add link to ice bath experiment: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOWm0Ano71g
Yeah - exactly - that's what I meant by hypnotising the person to not feel the pain, but the body still responds to the stimuli - thus, yes, it's a deepfake. The only possible counterargument would have to involve the use of seriously advanced technology to suppress the body's innate defensive reaction - and that's really sinister.
Still, conspiracy theories are bad, MK!
Im not saying that I disagree with the critique of this self immolation. And I'll absolutely agree that anything can, and often is, faked these days. But to specifically answer the question as to the setting alight issue: when he pours the excellerant over his head, vertually no e of it hits his legs, where he attempts to set the fire. Much of it does fall on the floor by his feet however, which would explain the decision to invite it there. As for everything else you point out, I have only questions.
Yes, I see what you're saying. I think they simply used Deep Fake technology to fake this although I must say for a psyop they did a very convincing job where they normally really give you the clues. The behaviour of all the other people clearly shows anomalies and I simply cannot doubt that the event was staged but it does give me pause that the immolation itself looks real to me although I wouldn't expect him to stand aflame like that for 40 seconds.
Mark Tokarski, of Piece of Mindful, posted my substack there and in response someone posted footage of another self-immolation by a monk supposedly spurred by Thích Quảng Đức's. Although the commenter says that this footage is clear evidence of fakery in that the body keels of a piece like a dummy, in fact, we see the arm of the monk move as if to brace his body before hitting the ground (53s). I must say I'm simply confused. They didn't have Deep Fake technology back in 1963 I don't think! https://pieceofmindful.com/2024/03/01/1963-self-immolation-in-vietnam-staged/#comment-338357
I'm not sure if they had deep fake technology back in the 60s, but who really knows for certain besides insiders. These people often have technology that's decades ahead of what's publicly available, so it's not out of the question. Then again, if they faked the Zapruder film from the same year with crude editing, why not this?
And if they did use deep fake technology in this case, it's far more likely that they did so well after the fact, perhaps decades after the incident was first captured on camera when the technology was getting better. What do you think?
I somehow don't think they revise photos with improved technology, that just somehow doesn't strike me as the way they do things ... but they might. I think they rely very much on fooling people at the time and sticking with it. They simply have the power to maintain the fiction century after century even while telling us the truth underneath it still. You can see the way they tell stories from the past that they're still inserting Revelation of the Method. I noticed it with nonsense they tell us in the Great Fire of London 1666 story and just yesterday the alleged assassination of German diplomat, Ernst vom Rath, by a Polish Jew, Herschel Grynszpan, the "event" that precipitated Kristalnacht. They give us gobbledygook by telling us:
https://www.history.com/news/kristallnacht-started-when-this-diplomat-was-murdered-in-cold-blood
"Soon thereafter, vom Rath’s planned show trial was dropped, presumably to prevent embarrassment that might result from those revelations. However, it’s unclear if Grynszpan’s story was true."
Why would a trial be planned for vom Rath if he's dead and if it's a mistake and they really mean Grynszpan why would the trial be a "show trial" if he really did assassinate vom Rath?
There's absolutely no need to "improve" past weak fakeries which isn't to say that they don't for whatever reason.
"There's absolutely no need to "improve" past weak fakeries which isn't to say that they don't for whatever reason."
I guess that depends on how committed they are in selling their stories. If it's a fake story that's meant to be televised briefly in the media, there's no need to revise visual or written "evidence" later. However, if it's a fictional story they want to promote for many years to come, revising certain details of said story may be necessary to ensure it stays fresh and somewhat passable to the gullible masses.
A physical phenomenon is only “a thing” if you desire to believe it is. Noumena rule; phenomena drool. (Only YOU know if this is serious or this is snark.)
Great stack...pointy questions!
Fascinating. Thank you Petra, you have given name to a 'thing' that I have been wondering about for some time - Revelation of Method. In recent years I have been struck by strange coincidences in popular culture and the 'let the right one in' rule of parasites. Hmmm....
very nice work!
Ha ha, we have a "jinx" thinkin' alike--so I was lookin' on yer stack to add a new comment to the Chelsea post an' SAWR this one here--an' thought--OMGorsh, I posted 'bout that "Mad Max" back in Spring--I foolishly hid the lede thinkin' folks'd see it but go ta this link:
https://thcsofdaisymoses.substack.com/p/puttin-on-sum-passover-alls?
Scroll down or search fer:
" Psyop-Land Courthouse STUNT 101 = Burnin' Man 2.0 = Flamin' Trump Roast served with Shock ‘n Awe sauce on the side"
.... an' you'll git my hot take on this "boy" whose a Hollyweird / SFX scion... (psy-ON!) enjoy the show lol!
Self-induced burnings or "immolations" might be a thing, but the mainstream stories of them could very well be fake. They're not impossible, but that doesn't mean they can't be faked to some degree.
Same with murders and rapes. Those things do happen, but oftentimes they are distorted by the MSM with fabricated or exaggerated reports to make them seem much more pervasive and scary than they actually are.