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Hi Petra, the symptoms you list for these conditions seem like toxic reactions. Are they really different conditions, or are the Drs coding or seeing these differently or is it something in the environment that is making these different? There is no way to say until there is something physical/chemical to actually measure. But no rabies virus has ever been found.

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Aug 27·edited Aug 27Author

Thanks for this prompt to completely revamp my article - I've changed the title too. Of course, I know that no rabies virus has been found but I didn't make that obvious as I should have. Your prompt led me to the discovery of a nice umbrella term that we can assign both distemper and rabies to - Dog Seizure Disorder.

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Oh, ok the article was ok actually, but it is always good to think thru and revise!

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Definitely! Especially in my case when I can be a bit slapdash. Also, I forgot but will add later that there are supposedly three kinds of rabies - always helpful isn't it?

--- encephalitic (also considered "furious")

--- paralytic (also considered "dumb")

--- non-classic

Non-classic - doncha love it?

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK448076/

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I have a lot of wild critters here including coyotes, raccoons, squirrels & opossums and have never seen behavior like that but maybe with the brain chips & 5G it will become more common, will they weaponize wild animals?

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Aug 26·edited Aug 26Author

Who knows? In Australia rabies is said not to exist and this is what it says about distemper in wild and feral animals (although - like you - I'm sure the overwhelming majority of Australians have never seen distemper in wild/feral animals - however, we simply have very little to do with the wild/feral animals listed except dingoes which are really dogs anyway):

"Dingoes: Dingoes are susceptible to canine distemper, which can spread to them from domestic dogs or other infected wildlife.

Foxes: Introduced red foxes in Australia can carry and suffer from canine distemper. This disease can also spread to native species.

Bats: Some Australian bat species can be infected by canine distemper virus.

Quolls: These native carnivorous marsupials can also be affected by CDV, although cases are rarer.

2. Feline Distemper Virus (Feline Parvovirus):

Feral Cats: Feral cats in Australia are susceptible to feline distemper, which can be spread among themselves or to native wildlife that comes into contact with them or contaminated environments.

Bats! Bats are the carriers, man.

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Aug 26·edited Aug 26Liked by Petra Liverani

Well, right up my alley, as some of us have opinions about everything, especially things we know nothing about! But I was reading recently a guy who claimed that rabies and tetanus had something in common - deep puncture wounds - so deep they could not be kept clean, which led to bacteria in an anaerobic environment, very dangerous. So the rusty nail did not cause tetanus, and the dog bite did not cause rabies. It is mere necessity when you suffer a deep wound to keep it clean, which can be painful. As to mouth foaming, could well be simple lack of water. In dogs especially, this can lead to rage and biting and other attacks. Or suppose a dog was beaten by its owner or anyone, leading to a vicious animal lashing out at anyone crossing its path.

So my non-doctor friend says nay nay on rabies and tetanus "vaccines", each a major racket.

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Aug 26Liked by Petra Liverani

These behaviors are completely unnatural for these animals, obviously. Like, do these things happen in the wilderness? Do yout get racoons in the forest strangely approaching you and not being scared of you? Has anyone ever seen a 'distressed' racoon or a racoon with 'rabies' in the forest?

What I'm getting at is that to me this looks like something that happens to these animals *because* they are close to the current human environment. It may be that they ate something they shouldn't have, maybe something they found in the trash. Think ultra processed foods or badly decaying foods that they normally wouldn't eat but they end up eating anyway because the food is smothered with a sweet and fatty dressing/sauce that the animal really wants to eat. Or maybe they came into contact with animals poisons or insecticide. Who knows?

But this behavior is clearly not normal and I suspect it's a product of the animals not beign in their natural environment and coming into contact with poisonous shit.

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Yes, I mean there’s no proper diagnosis is there?

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Aug 26Liked by Petra Liverani

It looks like it has been 'hijacked'. There are parasites that do exactly that with insects, the insect then will have a behaviour that's opposite to its normal behaviour and will also become 'suicidal' and an easy prey. It's said that the parasites takes control over the insects' brain and is making sure it gets passed on.

BTW, have you seen Sam Bailey's latest? You've been featured in it...

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Yes I have and I've been in email contact with her so its ok now although it stiil feels a little strange. I don't understand it. It's simply bizarre. Ok so a few of us liked the guy's post but to me it wasn't against them it was against Mark's co-author and even though I had no idea if he was telling the truth I guess I was persuaded by him.

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Possible toxin reaction, or brain parasite: Raccoons commonly carry a roundworm that can travel to the brain: https://www.cdc.gov/baylisascaris/about/index.html

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Aug 26Liked by Petra Liverani

very interesting.

sometimes people hear voices or other sounds and it drives them crazy but this could never happen in other animals because consciousness only occurs in humans... who really knows if these poor racoons just need psychotherapy.

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The opening paragraph from the cited website says it all:

"Rabies and canine distemper are not the same. Both are generally fatal viral diseases but distemper attacks various bodily systems like the gastrointestinal and respiratory systems, while rabies affects the brain and nervous systems."

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Aug 27·edited Aug 27Liked by Petra Liverani

No virus for either of these has ever been found. "Viral" is just a label on paper.

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Kindly cite your replicated professional publication proving such.

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The onus is on those claiming something to provide paper proving such, I said not found I did not say did not exist. You can look up the papers on viroliegy.com search Rabies or The Private Science Of Louis Pasteur.

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You made the claim, you have to prove it, or continue backpedaling.

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I gave you 2 refs. No virus of any kind has ever been purified isolated, characterized, and proven to be a pathogen. Go ahead, show me one. The onus is not on me to prove Bigfoot exists. I think we are at the end of our discussion rope, you can have the last dig sure, IDGAF.

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Refs are not citations of peer-reviewed professional publications.

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